My Mistake: Roseanne on Fat Women

I was writing, in my mind, a post elaborating a bit on this one, talking more about the assumption that if we call ourselves allies, we have to be accepted as such.

Then, out of the blue, I was treated to what is pretty much the polar opposite: wrongly assuming someone is an ally. It’s really easy for me to assume that if someone looks like me, or I think they may have had some of the same experiences I have, that they have some kinship – and therefore, are an ally – in my struggle. I often do this subconsciously and to my own detriment.

Rosanne Barr has been talking a lot about the Casey Anthony trial on Twitter lately, and was particularly agitated yesterday about the verdict. When she said that the defense attorney got the verdict by confusing women, I responded. You can see the exchange below (Twitter reads from bottom to top):

That shocked me. I know she’s a comedian, known for her vitriol, but I was just amazed to see that much body hate come from her, who has long and very public struggles with her own body. After I shared the shocking comment with the people following me, I thought it was important to add that I was saddened, but not shamed. It got worse from there:

At that point, I realized that any chance for reasonable dialogue was out the window, and, aside from re-sharing what she said, I was done engaging her. That didn’t stop her, though:

And then this:

And, after more than 15 hours without any sort of interaction or prompting from me, this:

It’s still ongoing, to a small degree. Total strangers are saying nasty things to and about me (and anyone who had the audacity to object to Roseanne’s vitriolic and unwarranted rant). But I (re)learned a very valuable lesson about my own assumptions about the difference between having some of the same experiences and being allies.

My mistake. Thanks, Roseanne.

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23 Responses to “My Mistake: Roseanne on Fat Women”

  1. mamacarriemakes Says:

    Wow. I would have presumed she was an ally too. Guess she only cares about some women. I’m so sorry that happened to you.
    I guess she also doesn’t care about actual justice, when she’s already presumed guilt. My fb page is lit up with people who are outraged that they didn’t convict CA despite the complete lack of physical evidence and motive.

  2. Lx Says:

    I was privy to that exchange via your RTs. It’s astounding, really. I suppose Roseanne has a lot of time nowadays on her hands, to hang out online and insult people.

  3. Bibliovixen Says:

    This is just one more reason that I’ve admired you for so long. Thank you for sharing this recent incident.

  4. chiba13 Says:

    I guess you can never really tell where your next exposure to crazy is going to come from. Well, I mean *now* you know where you can reliably find some crazy, but I mean *before* that little exchange. Wow.

  5. Dallas Says:

    Wow. That’s not even hurtful because she is not an ally; it’s sad to see because it shows her as a truly mean, unreasonable, and insensitive person.

  6. aconerlycoleman Says:

    0_0 You handled that mess w/ grace. Roseanne needs to have a seat & rethink how her words have weight and meaning…

  7. Jessica hulse Says:

    As your friend I salute you for keeping it classy and not responding to her in the bitter, angry way she clearly wanted.

  8. Nai Says:

    These exchanges expose her self-hate, and grace us plenty with your self-worth. Once again, well done.

  9. caseykay68 Says:

    I have to say I am in awe….and not in a good way. But you have definitely taken the high road.

  10. Lady Grinning Soul Says:

    Christ alive! No matter the circumstances, she sounds insane. Seriously… insane.

  11. Jessica Turner Strange Says:

    You really did take the high road on this one when Rosanne clearly was spitting nothing but venom. I lost all respect for her while watching the exchanges and in hindsight I am saddened even more thinking about how someone could use her fame for the betterment of society and instead just perpetuates the hate.

    My other thought is this: I wonder if she would levy the same insults at a different race, religion, sexual orientation, etc. Would she be so public about calling someone a name then? I highly doubt it.

  12. Keith Says:

    This happened on the day they repeated her last appearance on Oprah. She’s obviously admittedly unstable, as you learned firsthand.

  13. anandaleeke Says:

    Thank you for sharing your great practice of digital civility! I appreciate your wisdom. Also, thank you for participating in the Digitalsisterhood Wednesday tweetchat on digital civility last night. Your presence was felt. Keep shining!

  14. Diana Says:

    Ms. Barr-Arnold (or whatever it is these days) is, like most comedians of her time, where she is because she’s made a success of the ways in which she’s fucked up. Her schtick includes the fucked up response. At the time she was in the throes of a powerful emotional reaction to the Casey Anthony trial – a child is dead, and whether the verdict is correct or not, people have strong feelings about it buzzed along by heavy press coverage that makes it hard to discern the truth around all the pathos – and it prompted her to go for the lowest blow she could. Her words may or may not be indicative of her real feelings about fat people, and when you’re being emotional, you lose perspective. There’s a chance she has no idea the kind of crap she directed your way when she redirected her anger about the trial onto you.

  15. samthor Says:

    yeah, i was there when Rosanne threw a tantrum. She was venting in all sorts of directions with emotional fueled rage. And i witnessed you and a few others provoked her. And now … lo and behold… you’ve been victimized by a celebrity!! Did you really expect a logical exchange of ideas at that point and time? I’m not defending what she said at all. I’m overweight by all accounts, and could see her tantrum for what it was. I chose the option of ignoring it, but then i don’t run a blog dedicated to me being a victim to a cruel and unfair world. And now this whole Rosanne thing has gotten you a lot of extra exposure and loads of material to write about…. congratulations…. it’s really paid off for you. I bet you can milk this out for ..weeks! I bet you NEVER thought that would happen. *wink wink*

  16. Johnna@ The Weight Loss Network Says:

    Wow, Mazzie…I’m at a loss for words. Well, no, I can come up with a few words…vicious, malevolent, bitter, spiteful, toxic and, well…bitch! I can’t believe how malicious she was! Of all the people in the world to be insensitive about one’s size, you’d think that she would be more conscious of her words. I guess that’s what I get for thinking! At any rate, before reading this, I was stopping by to let you know that you’ve really inspired me and that I wrote a post that I hope you might appreciate. If you want to check it out, it’s http://weightloss.net/the-belly-dancer-with-the-biggest-belly.

  17. Johnna@ The Weight Loss Network Says:

    Okay, and now I’m shaking my fist at you for turning me onto that bread recipe…om nom nom!

  18. Laura Says:

    Why do people expect someone to be a better (good) person just because they are a celebrity/ starred in a TV show/ movie? Celebrities can be human (and total pricks) too. Watching people on TV doesn’t mean you know them.

    • dcmazzie Says:

      By default, I expect everyone to be a good person. I don’t think I held her to a higher standard – I wouldn’t find that sort of behavior agreeable from anyone. I also don’t think I know her just because I watched her on tv. It’s entirely possible that she is just trying to get attention for her new show.

  19. Yogitastic Says:

    Wow… Okay… That exchange was unnecessary. Is it no longer PC to place all severely unhinged individuals on an island of their own?

  20. Rochelle Says:

    I agree with so many of the other comments! Regardless of whether she was doing this for attention or whether she was emotional, her language & tone are unacceptable. The only way I could see something like this happening is if someone else writes her tweets.

  21. Yoquiero Says:

    Jeez. Unbelievable. Brains, compassion, and celebrity don’t always go hand in hand.

  22. Yoquiero Says:

    just continue to be the beautiful person that you are, no matter what.

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